Confused, who are we supposed to destroy?
Posted by Abravanel, the Blog στο 16/05/2008
Confused, please help me out here; here are two excerpts from different sources:
Q: You said some Ottoman documents depicted the Arab national movement as a tool in the hands of foreign powers used to weaken the Ottoman state. What about the Turkish national movements such as the Young Turks and the Committee of Union and Progress? How were they depicted?
A: The Committee of Union and Progress was based on the Young Turks movement. Thessaloniki (modern day Greece) was known for its population of Jews who migrated from Spain and fled religious persecution in Europe in the late 19th century. Some argue that the migration of the Jews from Europe to the Ottoman state was plotted by the Jews and the Europeans under the pretence of religious persecution in order to sabotage the Ottoman state. However, I believe that the Jews encouraged nationalism amongst the Turks and were behind the establishment of the Young Turks and the Young Arab Society [Al Fatat] at the same time that was based in London.
Αξίζει να αναφερθεί ότι αμέσως μετά την Αλωση της Πόλης, οι Τούρκοι επιδόθηκαν στον αφελληνισμό της, καταφεύγοντας, μεταξύ των άλλων και στο μέτρο του εποικισμού. (the Turks began to wipe out the greek character of the city and resorted to colonizing it)
Είναι ιστορικά τεκμηριωμένο, ότι αμέσως μετά την άλωση του 1453, ο σουλτάνος Μωάμεθ ο Β’, διέταξε τον εποικισμό της Κωνσταντινουπόλεως και για τον σκοπό αυτό μεταφέρθηκαν εκατοντάδες οικογένειες εβραίων από την περιοχή της Θεσσαλονίκης. (hundreds of families of Jews were moved from Thessaloniki to Constantinople) Επ’ αυτού ο άγγλος τουρκολόγος Lowry, αναφέρει ότι ολόκληρος ο εβραϊκός πληθυσμός της Θεσσαλονίκης, μεταφέρθηκε και εγκαταστάθηκε, οριστικά, με την υπόδειξη των τουρκικών αρχών, στην πρωτεύουσα της Οθωμανικής πλέον Αυτοκρατορίας, συγκροτώντας μάλιστα ιδιαίτερη συνοικία (Cemaat). Επίσης δεν είναι καθόλου τυχαίο το γεγονός, ότι ο Μωάμεθ είχε υπουργοποιήσει τους εβραίους Χακίμ και Γιακούμπ, μέλη της ανθελληνικής ομάδας «Γκαρέμπια»*.
/I won’t provide a link but it is available
We have the turks believing that moving Jews to Thessaloniki in 1492 was the work of Western Powers to destabilize the Ottoman Empire.
Then we have Greeks believing that Jews from Thessaloniki were moved after 1453 in order to de-hellenize Constantinople/Istambul and act against greeks.
If Jews worked against the Turks, as suggested by our arab historian, then why would the Ottomans move them directly to their capital ? And if Jews aimed at destroying the Ottoman Empire then moving them to the capital should have been a positive thing for the Greeks and not a threatening move against them, right? It is interesting to see how both greeks and turks view the jewish presence as threat against them, imposed by a foreign power. One could also add that it is amusing to see how the conspirationist views of both seem to clash since jews cannot be simultaneously be used to favor and hurt the same national cause.
But why am I wondering? In Greece the leader of LAOS, a party with 10 parliamentaries in the Greek Parliament – one of the only five parties that comprise it, Y.Karatzaferis implied in a TV show together, (interviewing a self proclaimed admirer of Adolf Hitler), that the Jews are responsible for the Peloponnesian War in 431–404 BCE between Sparta and Athens. More on Y.Karatzaferis soon to follow.
So tell me, who are we supposed to destroy?